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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more incapabalities
From: cangel@famvid.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:24:57 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
On 2000-01-19 not-2-disclose@the.net said:
N2>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Hello Michel -
I feel that I owe you an apology. I suggested that we might
find information here to enhance our enjoyment of MSKermit as
it can be done with `legacy' hardware by accessing this
newsgroup.
Obviously I could not have made a worse choice if I had been on
medication at the time.
I had forgotten how cloistered an envirnment these people live
in that prevents them from interacting with real people in the
real world.
--8<--cut
N2> Strange but true, i'm frankly convinced now that you have
N2> no business at all addressing a DOS user here, actually!
Turns out you are absolutely correct Michel. These two have had
little or nothing to do with the DOS MSK program and probably
never actually read the code. If they _did_ read it they would
not know what a large part of it is there to accomplish.
Truth is if you notice what they have said about this entire
project they received instruction for the TCP/IP stack from
Eric Engelke and the zmodem in K95 was given by another. They
never actually wrote anything but the `glue' to patch other
peoples work into one executable.
One of the `perks' of being an employee of a University is the
ability to assign projects to young people and then steal the
results and put your name on it. I doubt either of them can
write a minor utility let alone a `C-Kermit' package. They
probably change a few dozen lines a year when a student makes a
good suggestion. I wonder if they type it in themselves or have
it done as an assignment?
I have been informed by another professor that there really is
no `team' here. MSK is and was developed by Joe D. at Utah
while the others are in N.Y. at Columbia.
Joe I feel somewhat differently about. He at least _cares_
about MSKermit and quite adamantly at that. I can't fault a man
who is protective of his creation and wants it to be viewed in
the best possible way. I also doubt that the other two have
been any less condescending regarding MSK than they seem to be
about DOS users in general. Joe has had many years of this. It
must be tiring if not extemely annoying.
N2> Condescendance is one of the words i read and which sounds,
N2> ho but sounds so right when i read them that i can't get it
N2> out of my mind anymore!... So, please: let us have our
N2> little, worthless business alone, OKay?!?
It would be interesting to see what would happen if these two
were stranded somewhere in the real world and made the mistake
of talking to the local residents. 8) I suspect they stay on
campus and brow beat other peoples children where it's safe.
--8<--cut
N2> My deapest regrets to the other users but people ARE NOT
N2> playtoys!
I too regret my suggestion to communicate here. I had hoped
there were other normal people here with an interest in MSK but
it seems we are alone in this.
I have been told that I may have been unkind to Mr. Dold who
was nice enough to point me to the _correct_ URL for the MSK
source code. I was getting quite a bit of nonsense from `the
team' at the time and in trying to add a positive note to all
this I became a bit annoyed with him and was not kind in my
reply. I regret this also. Under other circumstances I would
not have made this mistake.
Mr. Shapiro and Mr. Dold and others have been very patient with
all of this ruckus and I do appreciate their efforts to assist.
As for this newsgroup itself it seems to have little to do with
`support'.
There is someone at Columbia that these little men must answer
to whose job is to make them behave and when I determine who
that person is I will email him or her with my observations
regarding their lack of interest and bad manners. I don't think
Columbia University needs people like this in a public forum
and I don't think Columbia would disagree.
Take care Michel -
Charles.Angelich